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- From: mambuhl@ripco.com (Martin Ambuhl)
- Newsgroups: comp.lang.c
- Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: Vacant Job
- Date: 9 Feb 1996 17:57:10 GMT
- Organization: Ripco Communications, Inc.
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- john b <jointprd@crl.com>
- in <311B828B.2102@crl.com> writes:
-
- >The perception of most corporations is that with a college degree you
- >have proven yourself to be better than the guy who does not have the
- >degree (acidity test). This is just as applicable for the guy with the
- >MBA and vs. the guy with just a college degree. Unfortunately the people
- >who are hiring are the ones you have to convince that their perception is
- >wrong.
-
- I just thought I would let you know that it _can_ be done.
- Without a degree, I was hired (starting in 1966)
- as a business programmer for a Fortune 500 company
- as a systems programmer for a software house developing
- compilers on PDP-10s, among other things
- as a systems programmer for a large MIT-Harvard project
- as a full-time consultant for DoT,
- as a trouble-shooting consultant with firms in business, scientific, and
- systems areas,
- as head of computation (for 7 years) for research labs for one of the
- largest chemical companies in the world.
-
- Then I went back to school, got my S.B., went to graduate school and
- faced classes full of kids who were sure that I, like their other
- teachers, knew nothing of the real world and was only an irrelevant
- academic hack. Surely no one would teach if he could hold a "real" job.
-
- They were sure that I understood nothing but what it took to amass
- degrees and credits while they, at 17-18 years old, were being forced to
- jump through hoops to no reason instead of applying their massive
- experience and talent. Maybe they should consider that I _might_ know
- something about what is useful in the real world.
-
- They should also understand that I have given up good and remunerative
- choices to impoverish myself by going back to school and to teach them.
-
- Take the classes; get the degrees. The teachers really do have
- something to offer of value. Believe it or not, that you can make your
- PC show pretty pictures and play music does not make you the hottest
- programmer in history. The same principle holds in other fields.
-
- I would note that in programming, as in law, it is probably more
- important to learn a substantive field well than to learn the "primary"
- field. Having an area of application makes you much more useful than
- being one of a huge mass with similar technical skills (programming/law
- etc.).
-
- Hell, it might even be important for you to learn how to program a
- 4K PDP-8* to do something useful instead of relying on more computing
- speed and bigger memory to cover up for the sloppy techniques you may
- have taught yourself.
-
- The advantage that I had was that I could develop my skills and
- knowledge as the hardware and software was growing up. There is so much
- amassed knowledge and so many techniques that a new programmer is always
- playing catch-up. The initial investment in finding out what has
- already been done is well worth it.
-
- * e.g. controlling a MassSpec and doing the analysis from the output,
- for one real-world project done 30 years after the PDP-8 was introduced
- (well that was an 8K one, but the point is the same). Remember: there's
- no such thing as an obsolete computer, and you never know when you will
- be called on to use a machine that you thought was gone forever and that
- you never considered _could_ do the assigned task. Some real training
- will be useful.
-
-
- --
- * Martin Ambuhl net: mambuhl@ripco.com
- * Chicago, IL (USA)
-